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­čôł The new social web has reached another milestone: Mastodon passed 3 million users and PeerTube 100k users!­čôł

Today, the counter at the-federation.info/ shows 3,019,861 and #118,877 users.
(): 3,340,712
Fediverse (total): 4,367,971

*But* please be aware: The Fediverse has to grow faster! Currently, it just keeps its level of monthly active users () in a year-to-year comparison:
-0.2% Mastodon at currently 444,951 MAU
+2.7% Fediverse 493,924 MAU

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@gerald_leppert

Congrats for reaching the milestone, keep going for the future!

@christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert Does the Fediverse 'need' to grow? Isn't Mastodon sustainable already, since it doesn't rely on VC funding on the promise of future profits? I really can't follow any more good people ... ;)

@rochelimit @gerald_leppert

Fair enough ­čśé so it shall just absorb all the good people which haven't arrived yet ­čÖé

@rochelimit
I can only usefully follow a slightly dynamic list of 60-70 people. Sometimes I need to prune to get the number down low enough to follow someone new. People moving on, quitting or w/e allow this to happen in a nice way.
@christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert

@rochelimit

Your question is a very valid one, though: Does #fediverse *need* to grow.

One the one hand I think it doesn't, and it is even a quality of this social fabric that it doesn't pursue growth as a metric for success.

On the other hand, fedi is really quite weak still. There isn't a huge developer base, for instance. The #activitypub technology base evolves very slowly. #SocialHub community is but tiny.

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@christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert

@rochelimit

Will fedi stagnate if devs jump ship, if a better, shinier #decentralization tech comes along?

--> we might become the 'bulletin boards' of social. Left behind.

Will fedi keep its identity and culture if right now a big tech player decides to adopt the technology and make it their own?

--> we might become the 'corporate fedi' with all the same nastiness of mainstream social media.

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@christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert

@humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert VC /corporate investment is generally dependent on exclusivity/market capture. The Fediverse more or less exists to make that capture impossible. I don't expect we'll see a lot of corporate adoption of decentralisation it dilutes their potential for control. We've even seen Jack @ Twitter pledge to create a new "standard" for microblogging... I don't believe he even mention #ActivityPub although he *must* know about it.

@lightweight

The Twitter Bluesky report recently published does contain an investigation of the decentralized technology landscape, that also features #activitypub

matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/do

I am also not so certain about the inability of Big Tech to decentralize in such way where they stand to benefit. Especially if they are able to potentially throw billions of $$$ to ensure their leading role.

Twitter might be quite serious in doing so..
@rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert

@humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert interesting - will read up about it... Will be keen to understand why Twitter doesn't just adopt #ActivityPub (perhaps for the same reason MSFT created OOXML despite ODF being well established already: fauxpen standards - openstandards.nz/fauxpen-stand )

@lightweight "Corporate adoption of decentralisation" is such a big word. While I agree that social media companies like Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, Microsoft/LinkedIn are unlikely to wholeheartedly adopt decentralized networks/protocols, other corporate players might think different. Traditional media have a big problem with centralized services. Organisations and public services, too, e.g. due to privacy concerns. Other companies might do as well.

@humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass

@humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert I think that the fediverse is better for society than corporate social media. So, yes, I would like it to grown and replace them.

@humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert

My opinion: is that yes, the #fediverse does need to grow...because it is facing huge corporate silos, and open tech needs to become as relevant and as much of it's own "platform" that counters the closed platforms.

@tchambers @humanetech @rochelimit @christian_zerfass @gerald_leppert I want the fediverse to grow cause I believe it is the best option we have right now to fight against many problems in the world right now that are made possible by facebook having a damn monopoly on the digital communication of almost everyone

@rochelimit That's a good question. IMHO: Yes, the Fediverse definitively needs to grow.

1/ It's good that the MAU is stable and not declining. However, it also means that atm it doesn't attract more new people than people becoming inactive. I don't know whether this is sustainable in the lon run.

2/ There are ~7.8 bn people in the world, thus, many good people who are not yet here. I'd like to see more researchers, politicians, orgs, other active people in the Fediverse.
@christian_zerfass

@gerald_leppert
I must be in a spread-sheety mood this morning or something. I wondered how this worked out by population?
Top by Nodes: US, DE, FR, JP
Top by Active Users: DE, US, JP, FR
Top Nodes % country population: Iceland, Germany, France, Isle of Mann
Top Active users as a percent of population: Switzerland, Germany, Hong Kong, France, Japan
.ods: files.kalum.ca/f.php?h=2MkymMt

the-federation.info/hostingrep 2021-02-19
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ 2021-02-19
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9u 2021-02-19
@vfrmedia

Hi @gemlog, that's great. However, I couldn't download the file. The file storage needs a password, which one is it?
@vfrmedia

@gerald_leppert
I just tried it in a different browser, because I didn't set a passwd.
files.kalum.ca/f.php?h=2MkymMt
worked with no password.

The main site without the arg wants a passwd to upload files.kalum.ca but not the link for the file???
@vfrmedia

@gemlog @vfrmedia

Thanks, without deactivated Javascript, it asks for a password. Now, with enabled Javascript, I can download the file.

@gerald_leppert
Ah! Good to know - thanks!
I installed it a few years ago and barely use it as it's usually quicker to simply copy to some website or other.
Maybe it's not worth keeping around.
@vfrmedia

@gemlog
I looked at the spreadsheet and the idea is great. Unfortunately, the approach has a severe methodological problem. Examples:

1/ Mastodon.social targets international users. With 141,078 6-month active users, it's about 1/3 of Germany-hosted active users in the hosting report.

2/ Switzerland ranks highest. The reason seems to be Switter, an international "sex work-friendly social space" with 87,321 active users, 97% of active users listed as Switzerland-hosted.
@vfrmedia

@gerald_leppert Unfortunately, unless that statistic factors in users who have joined multiple instances, users who have tried Mastodon and left (dead accounts), and other similar things, that actual live number is probably much, much lower. ­čś×

@ercanbrack Indeed, the total number of users is an interesting and important number, but - as you describe it - doesn't show the actual live numbers. That's why the monthly active () or 6-months active users are so important:
MAU: 445,109
6-months: 1,137,423

Over-estimating factors:
* Users with multiple accounts
* Bot accounts

Under-estimating factors:
* The-federation's list is opt-in. It does not list all instances.
* Not all instances report active users due to privacy.

@gerald_leppert Good points! I was not aware of the under-estimating factors. ­čÖé

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